Wednesday, September 05, 2007

今次膠咗



大鑊,今次搞到好似周瑮咁添。

絕對咗。

自己 --------->x1000

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點解膠咗?

因為我一路以來都對罷工去增加收入的成效有懷疑。因為我覺得罷工不能夠解決根本的供求問題。

點知,諗深一層,罷工對供求問題是有幫助。


1. 有工人罷工,能令工人總體供應下降,聽職工盟的人話,肯繼續開工的扎鐵工人,有d的工資已達一千一百。即係等如,如果供應永久地減去今日罷工工人的數目,根據供求定律,要求九百五十絕對可以。

2. 有如早前有人留言,好多今時今日做建築,係因為睇政府建築廣告,誤入歧路。依家扎鐵工的高姿態的罷工行動,令到全世界都知道呢行唔好撈,長遠來說,可以減低d人入行。

仲有,猶豫不決的扎鐵工人,都會考慮過澳門做扎鐵工。

罷工絕對 work。

Also... I think the biggest problem right now, is that the government sells land that is so big, it requires the BIGGEST LAND DEVELOPERS to buy. Smaller ones cannot compete.

The government is the source of a LOT of problems in the construction labour market.

73 comments:

  1. 你今次係膠, 不過冇可能膠得過周瑮.

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  2. 公眾人物有一政治技巧是自譏
    你能活用依一招
    你果然有 potential 做政治人物喎

    自誇往往使人黑人憎
    自譏就反而得民心。

    你有機會同袁xx講講吧

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  3. 這個是什麽節目啊, 好似很搞笑 ;-P

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  4. 仆街周瑮周街仆!!!!

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  5. 剛去完膠登睇完關於鬧你的 post
    你可否自我講講膠左 d 乜
    謝謝

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  6. 孫兄:

    車!有幾大鑊?你講得無錯播。我撐你!

    唔係對人工不滿就代表僱主無良下化...

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  7. 供求定律是假的???

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  8. 除非那位何國良深明奧國學派經濟學,否則他講需求/供給曲線是假的,應該是鸚鵡學舌,人云亦云吧!

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  9. 有無完全版呀, pakman 你好型呀, 比我就費時同班有政府目的或既得利益既人講野. 徙膠氣. 比人用作籌碼都重唔知.

    就好似叫班的士司機減價一樣咁難. 唯有由得佢地自生自滅罷啦.

    billy

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  10. Um...其實我好認真咁睇左幾次,除左聽到何國良個句"供求定律係假既"之外,almost乜都聽唔到,let alone明白點解Pakman"膠"左
    perhaps Pakman可以解釋下?

    仲有,我唔識經濟,不過Joe Chan係咁意教過我,最先教既係供求定律,話最重要既經濟基礎之一都係供求定律...咁唔知呢個定律有幾假呢?

    well,我可能冇聽書,或者聽錯左

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  11. "學過小小經濟學的人,都知供求定律係假"﹖張五常說過,解釋世事,來來去去都是需求定律。說這句話的人,跟說"學過小小經濟學的人,都知經濟學係假"不遠。

    整個討論究竟係點﹖願聞其詳。

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  12. 剛看完整個討論。其實,施永青的提議很有啟發性,叫工會組織公司,"壟斷"工人供應,以$950聘請工人;潛台詞是,現行經濟情況下,$950令部分工人失業。

    讓要求$950的工會,自己說出不可行,正如施永青所說,是"俾個鑊佢孭",你應該俾佢講落去。

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  13. 剛剛睇完

    pakman講果 d 野合哂我脾胃喎,但我幾咁認同係無用架喎。個 result 係 pakman 被人狂鬧。

    pakman今次雖然有幾次插嘴,但唔算過激,態度都算 ok 喎。並且節目一開波就宗明義話幫工人,對住弱勢社群的態度是絕對正確的。
    但最後都係膠左,成為眾指之的,點解呢?

    唔通左派 vs 自由派,自由派真係無得鬥?自由派真係必失民心嗎?

    左派善打悲情牌,又玩 sound bite,懂什樣帶領群眾,激動人心。相反自由派一味講理論,d 人只會訓哂教,幾有道理都無用。

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  14. 如果工人識諗,應該:

    1。盡快同工會協定日薪,立即開工

    2。多同判頭保持聯系,如果某日地盤冇扎鐵工做,都可以做D低薪既地盤雜工,令自己保持日日有工開

    3。食少兩包煙,飲少兩枝酒,謝絕北上消費尋歡,儲多兩個錢,請教高人理財之道

    4。多學一門地盤手藝,最好是有持久需要的,如:裝修,水喉,電器,除起新樓,就算舊樓維修,都可以派上用場

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  15. 孫柏文, 好心你就咪學黃世澤咁, 淨係識亂up吹水啦, 你就連扎鐵係乜都唔知就站高地扮學者, 一口都係中學econ, 你以為真係聲大就係道理咩

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  16. To 屎忽部落,

    There is a way to boost their income. As I have added to my blog entry. Striking helps.

    If you don't think I know econ... You will not be the first hahahahhaa

    Just look at all my failed calls!

    Look. We both want higher income for all workers. Lets find ways to boost it on the long run.

    We have to make ALL bosses to compete to fight for new workers. More competition for Bosses the better.

    That is how worker's income has risen before. That is how worker's income will rise in the future.

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  17. 何國良教授話供求定律是假的

    大家唔好再蝦何國良教授LA, 佢真係唔識野架,佢話亞當史密斯話長遠黎講D人死哂, 之後有人教佢, 其實個句係凱思斯講, 佢又話凱思斯係自由經濟....

    何國良教授唔識野架, 佢係理工大學俾人炒左的話,仲慘過扎鐵佬, 大家放過佢吧la

    不過上佢堂的學生就慘,俾咁多學費對住個無料到的何國良教授, 我睇完條片就唔淮個仔讀理工大學應用社會科學

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  18. 你想補鑊都搵 d 合理 d 既理由啦

    關於第一點,邊有可能永久地減去果一千幾百人的工人,想餓死佢地咩。現實是擺工需要付出代價,唔擺工就不但無代價更有額外的利潤,今次工潮工人處於劣勢,失敗的機會好大。

    關於第二點,你知唔知澳門現時有幾萬名香港扎鐵工人開近工呀?因為香港工人的手工、技術、勤力都遠比澳門人好,班工頭樂於合法地、非法地請香港工人開工,人工同香港差不多。日後眾賭場的建設一完(約幾年後),依批扎鐵工回流香港仲大鑊。

    上兩年土地趨向於零供應,勾地價定到天咁高因為煲呔驚死樓市再插影響佢在任時的高民望,用好多小動作減土地供應。而家煲呔成功連任,希望佢肯鬆手增加土地供應啦,水浸香江,樓市已經升近了。多 d 賣地,多 d 起樓,增加樓的供應量使樓價平穩一點,班工人自然有工開。

    叫後生少少果批襯市道好轉行吧,扎鐵依行到最終都是無乜前途的。

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  19. 何國良教授話供求定律是假的, 咁應該減佢人工, 佢咪會增加工作時間囉.
    減得越低, 工作越多.

    何教授真係影衰晒理大.

    不如等我教下你啦, 供求定律唔係假, 只係無辦法見到. 見唔到唔代表係假.
    因為係可以驗證.

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  21. 查實講乜都膠硬,主持、工人代表、論題 都係帶咗個情緒去撐罷工,說話內容稍有差池就變咗你老細 Day 1 嗰廣告 - 萬箭穿心。

    何國良啲咁嘅牆頭草,踩了你一脚上位,討厭!!

    Pakman,深明上枱心情......

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  22. 我都唔贊成扎鐵工人的罷工,
    其實嗰啲地盤佬是發窮惡,
    個個做地盤的都有不良嗜好,
    賭錢﹑喝酒﹑吃煙﹑去大陸叫雞 (600)。

    日薪:(1200-600=hk$600)。

    其實係為他們好。

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  23. 我所講的自譏只能用在無傷大雅的小事上。
    原質性問題就一定要企硬,大圍插你都要企硬。
    如立場左搖右擺,連你過往的支持者都離你而去。
    千奇唔好亂再補鑊。

    最後市場唔接受你果套都無計。
    之怪民智未開,喜歡聽 d 煽情的廢話的市民佔大多數。

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  24. 支持你呀, 其他人的水平未到呢個level去明白你講咩....冇計!!

    佢地帶感情去discuss, 你希望用理性去幫班工人........唉, 同佢地講真係waste of time.

    佢地根本唔知economics係一個powerful tool去explain世事.....

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  25. Pak Man

    It's a wonderful show of Professor Shuen trying to deliver a basic Economics lecture to the leftist unruly monkeys.

    By the way, Professor, strike only boosts the pay in short term. When the workers resume work, the pay will return to equilibrium.

    Strike only tranfers money from idle guys to working guys. The daily pay rate increases but the number of workers decreases. The total paid by the contractors remains unchanged.

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  26. 你講野好無質素喎...

    攪錯呀...

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  27. 你講野好無質素喎...
    好無水準...

    攪錯呀...
    仲搞到自己出晒醜...

    係咪因為少上電視呢?

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  28. “I think the biggest problem right now, is that the government sells land that is so big, it requires the BIGGEST LAND DEVELOPERS to buy. Smaller ones cannot compete.”

    Indeed.
    下下都由大發展商起樓,香港根本冇小型發展商,呢個係造成當下地產問題既眾多root causes之一。
    可能係我孤陃寡聞,但今次係我almost第一次見到有人白紙黑字將呢個reason講出黎。應該多D人講。
    Totally agree.

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  29. Not enough 上電視 experience.

    But that particular episode has taught me a lot.

    I am learning.. I am learning...

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  30. 孫柏文, 其實我已經就住你黎剪, 無乜點玩你, 如果睇過我點對黃世澤, 就知我今次對你其實都好持平

    你大大聲話自己大右派, 要大市場小政府乜都講效率, 咁你講乜政府做錯野, 講咩要幫工人姐? 你估政府唔識計數咩? 我地偉大既政府已經係全球數一數二既小政府黎, 如果塊餅分比咁多個地產商, 點會賣到個好價錢? 就算係市場壟斷又有乜所謂, 只要個GDP數字夠大夠靚, 工人受下苦又洗乜理佢呢?

    小弟既econ無你咁叻, 只係到大學程度, 想問下有邊條大c理論有人性既考慮因素, 有邊條係講過遊行示威集會既好處呢?

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  31. copycat from 信報23/8/07Sun Sep 09, 01:34:00 am GMT+8

    世上從無自由市場,忽視供求定律也受到既定的政治條件支配,議價能力就是其一,從油組(OPEC)到本地油公司到巴士到地產商到超市,都用協議定價,輸打贏要,左右市場,為何工人結成聯盟,爭取較高的協議定價,反而被人指責不符合市場規律呢?

    經濟上的自由市場,政治上的司法公正與行政程序,沒有定則可循,都須要不斷的碰撞與反省,整理自新(re-establish itself),這些尚算良善的制度才會成為強者與弱者同樣服膺的公器。放任官僚弄權,商家壟斷,這些制度只會淪為官僚收緊自由和商家壓榨利益的私器。強者弱者都是制度的平等參與者,彼此在時間上強弱消長,陰陽交替,才有平衡。天星與皇后明知要拆,也須抗爭到底,紮鐵工人明知要紮炮,也要罷工爭取,就是這個道理。香港的活力與希望,也正在這裏。 

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  32. To 屎忽部落,

    I agree. You were very 持平 in your editing. I did say those things.

    Do you honestly think, I THINK WE HAVE A 大市場小政府???

    On property. One of the reasons why land size is so big now, is that the government requires a lot of extra building by the property developers.

    You look at Happy Valley's Leighton Hill. There is a 民政事務署 office there. Why the hell is there a government office in a luxury private building? WHY? 大市場小政府 no way?

    If you think I support the free market (or any government policies) as long as GDP數字夠大夠靚. I am very disappointed.

    Look through everything I have written in support of the free market. It was always for the consumers, workers.

    As I have said before, the best thing about the free market is when Bosses COMPETE to get consumers and workers.

    Thats what my support for the free market is about. Free market is the only way to help consumers and workers raise living standard.

    Look at the 扎鐵工人, I said right from the beginning I want to help them. And the only way is to solve the demand supply imbalance.

    You can pass a law to help. You can pass many laws. You will probably pass more and more laws just to make the old ones effective.

    But is that the Hong Kong you want to live in, where government controls everything about our life? And in the end harm the very workers you want to help?

    Once again. If you think me and the Lion Rock Institute support for the free market is because we want GDP數字夠大夠靚, I am honestly very very disappointed, we have not worked hard enough to dispel that Plastic assumption that "free market = GDP figures".

    屎忽部落 my friend. Hope you will understand where we are coming from.

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  33. "As I have said before, the best thing about the free market is when Bosses COMPETE to get consumers and workers.

    Thats what my support for the free market is about. Free market is the only way to help consumers and workers raise living standard."

    extremely strongly agree with you

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  34. 坦白講
    你唔好成日聲大夾惡唔比人講野
    唔好成日拎自由市場出黎
    咁就唔會咁膠[sosad]

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  35. 坦白講
    你唔好成日聲大夾惡唔比人講野
    唔好成日拎自由市場出黎
    咁就唔會咁膠[sosad]

    副學士果集你咪講得幾好囉
    但其餘果D.....

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    浮生拾慧
    愛上曼陀羅
    一花一世界
    財子佳人
    笑魘如花
    婉約江南曲
    jade的環保世界
    創意環保
    你是人間四月天

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  53. To the world you may be one person,but to one person you may be the world.

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